Sea Serpent Posted October 15, 2023 Share Posted October 15, 2023 (edited) I’ll give Masters of the Air a try when it comes out. I had to give up on For All Mankind. I saw it got excellent ratings, but I felt it was a little too much like a soap opera. The Hippy guy that looked like David Cosby got on my nerves, the immigrant girl who is good at math but happens to be a pyromaniac, Gordo being a complete dick to the returning Vietnam guy, and the incessant musical interludes every few minutes were just too much! Edited October 15, 2023 by Sea Serpent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysticpuma Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 I wish at some point there would be the story told either by Film or TV of the disastrous Ploesti mission. The amount of MoH, the actual mission, the bravery and heroism.... it's such an incredible story, I hope one day it gets the showcase it truly deserves. Looking forward to this, assuming Shweinfurt mission will likely be the pinnacle event? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
golani79 Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 Gonna read the book again at some point - can recommend it to everyone who loves reading and is interested in the topic! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBFlyguy Posted October 24, 2023 Author Share Posted October 24, 2023 On 10/22/2023 at 1:52 AM, golani79 said: Gonna read the book again at some point - can recommend it to everyone who loves reading and is interested in the topic! I'll probably pick up the book after the show finishes, I've learned that reading the book before tends to lead to "that's not like the book" disappointment.. Quote "Straighten up and fly right" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bremspropeller Posted November 3, 2023 Share Posted November 3, 2023 Didn't now that Elvis flew B-17s. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBFlyguy Posted November 9, 2023 Author Share Posted November 9, 2023 (edited) Teaser trailer finally released!!!!! I have thoughts and questions..... It seems like there were next to no actual flying aircraft involved in the series? I think I saw one actual flying airplane in the whole trailer (P-51). After Dunkirk, Top Gun: Maverick and Devotion.... this kinda seems a step backwards... I'm not sure if the overall tone lines up with "Bands of Brothers" and "The Pacific"....granted it is just a teaser trailer.. While the Tuskegee Airmen (332nd FG) are my personal heroes, they never escorted the 100th BG (or any 8th AF Bomb Groups) during the war, I've seen their full mission records... them being in the show is..."interesting"... while there are several 8th AF fighter groups (ie 352nd, 357th & 56th FG) that could've and honestly should've been used instead to give a more historically accurate depiction of the war the 8th AF fought. It's very CGI heavy, which goes back to my first thought... Granted, it is just the teaser trailer, and I am still very much looking forward to watching the show Edited November 9, 2023 by DBFlyguy 1 Quote "Straighten up and fly right" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trooper117 Posted November 9, 2023 Share Posted November 9, 2023 More Red tails, and crap one liners like ''lets rack em up and knock em down''... I just thought, oh no... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysticpuma Posted November 11, 2023 Share Posted November 11, 2023 I was very surprised (but not surprised) to see the Redtails in there 😞 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBFlyguy Posted November 11, 2023 Author Share Posted November 11, 2023 (edited) I've been chatting via reddit with some folks that evidently were part of the production of the show. Supposedly one of the episodes focuses on some of the 100th BG crew that were captured after being shot down during a raid and held at one of the Stulag Luft POW camps, while there they encounter Robert H Daniels (a Tuskegee Airman/Redtail) who was shot down during an unrelated mission against a radar station in France. That mission is depicted is also in the episode. Also, one of the recurring characters (6 episodes) is Robert H Becker who was an ace (7 kills) with the 357th FG (the same fighter group Chuck Yeager, Bud Anderson and Richard Peterson were apart of) and they will be depicted actually escorting the 100th BG during some of the sequences. So, it appears this series is taking more of a "The Pacific" approach and jumps around a bit to different units versus the "Band of Brothers" approach that stuck primarily with the same company (Easy Company) with small sprinkles of other companies. We'll all see in January .... Edited November 11, 2023 by DBFlyguy 1 Quote "Straighten up and fly right" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kestrel79 Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 I'm in the middle of the book, I'll have to see if what I saw in the trailer lines up with stuff from the book. Looks good so far. A lot of these guys did get shot down and survive in prison camps. Pretty crazy. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBFlyguy Posted December 5, 2023 Author Share Posted December 5, 2023 (edited) Full trailer is scheduled to release tomorrow! https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=666963781970378&ref=sharing Hopefully this one gives a bit more of the feel of the show Edited December 5, 2023 by DBFlyguy 1 Quote "Straighten up and fly right" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBFlyguy Posted December 6, 2023 Author Share Posted December 6, 2023 The full trailer: Quote "Straighten up and fly right" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
golani79 Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 Looking good! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trooper117 Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 Still not convinced... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boom Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 To me it just comes across as to yehaa, and far too cliched. Along the lines of Memphis Belle. But maybe that's a reflection of the actors. Whereas I think 12 O'clock High was a much more accurate depiction of people in a stressful situation. As both the Pacific and Band Of brothers portrayed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javelina Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 I have Apple+, I'll give it a shot regardless Quote MSI MAG Z790 Carbon, i9-13900k, NH-D15 cooler, 64 GB CL40 6000mhz RAM, MSI RTX4090, Yamaha 5.1 A/V Receiver, 4x 2TB Samsung 980 Pro NVMe, 1x 2TB Samsung 870 EVO SSD, Win 11 Pro, TM Warthog, Virpil WarBRD, MFG Crosswinds, 43" Samsung 4K TV, 21.5 Acer VT touchscreen, TrackIR, Varjo Aero, Wheel Stand Pro Super Warthog, Phanteks Enthoo Pro2 Full Tower Case, Seasonic GX-1200 ATX3 PSU, PointCTRL, Buttkicker 2, K-51 Helicopter Collective Control Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBFlyguy Posted December 7, 2023 Author Share Posted December 7, 2023 1 hour ago, Boom said: To me it just comes across as to yehaa, and far too cliched. Along the lines of Memphis Belle. But maybe that's a reflection of the actors. Whereas I think 12 O'clock High was a much more accurate depiction of people in a stressful situation. As both the Pacific and Band Of brothers portrayed. It definitely feels very Hollywood. Memphis Belle is actually more along the lines of what I was hoping for just with more fleshed out characters and better technology (production). I'm kinda disappointed how bad the CGI for the aerial sequences look in comparison to something as old as Memphis Belle or more recently Maverick and Devotion... The CGI just doesn't look convincing... I'm still gonna watch it and most likely will enjoy it overall but I really wish they would've done the hard work of doing trying to shoot at least some of the footage practically and toned done the obvious CGI. Heck even this obviously much lower budget movie has more convincing aerial sequences in my opinion... 3 Quote "Straighten up and fly right" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
golani79 Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 Why not wait for the full product instead tearing it down from a short trailer? Convincing CGI isn't that easy and with today's technical possibilities and higher resolution and frame rates it often is even more visible / distinguishable than in earlier times. Also depends on how much money the production is willing to spend. I am not too concerned that it wont be any good - if it is anything like BoB/Pacific in regards of production quality I think we are in for a treat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sobilak Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 LOOK's GREAT ! I like historical accuracy and consistency of sources. I read the book "Masters of the air" and I don't remember there being anything about the 332FG Tuskegee Airman, expect one mention. This is a book primarily about 8AF. So one question. What's about 8AF/FC? FG56, FG357 (Yoxford Boys) and other FG's. They flight as escort 8AF Bombers from 1943 to 1945. Don't they deserve for glorification because of Political Correctness? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBFlyguy Posted December 7, 2023 Author Share Posted December 7, 2023 10 hours ago, golani79 said: Why not wait for the full product instead tearing it down from a short trailer? Convincing CGI isn't that easy and with today's technical possibilities and higher resolution and frame rates it often is even more visible / distinguishable than in earlier times. Also depends on how much money the production is willing to spend. I am not too concerned that it wont be any good - if it is anything like BoB/Pacific in regards of production quality I think we are in for a treat. We've had two trailers (teaser and full) and while they are only previews, I think it's pretty fair to say this is how the CGI is going to look in the final release. Apple is the richest company on the planet, I was just expecting them to pull out all the stops for this one, especially when its most likely the last time the air war in Europe will be looked at by Hollywood in this scale (a full TV show). But, I'm definitely gonna still watch it and root for it to be as good as Band of Brothers and The Pacific! 8 hours ago, Sobilak said: LOOK's GREAT ! I like historical accuracy and consistency of sources. I read the book "Masters of the air" and I don't remember there being anything about the 332FG Tuskegee Airman, expect one mention. This is a book primarily about 8AF. So one question. What's about 8AF/FC? FG56, FG357 (Yoxford Boys) and other FG's. They flight as escort 8AF Bombers from 1943 to 1945. Don't they deserve for glorification because of Political Correctness? The 357th FG (Yoxford Boys) will be depicted in some form in the show. One of the named characters is Capt. Robert Becker who was assigned to the 357th FG, 362nd FS with 7 kills. He's supposed to be in 6 episodes according to a discussion I've had with someone who worked on the show. This person also confirmed the Tuskegee Airmen (332nd) are only featured in 1 episode and covers a fairly bloody mission (12Aug1944) they flew to Toulon, France where several were shot down, captured and ended up in a Stalag Luft POW camp alongside some of the main characters of the show. Some new promo images just released: 1 Quote "Straighten up and fly right" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
golani79 Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 On 12/7/2023 at 5:49 PM, DBFlyguy said: I think it's pretty fair to say this is how the CGI is going to look in the final release I didn´t say that it will look different in the final release - I just said that it is hard to make convincing CGI in nowadays. Even with a good budget and time and all the technical possibilities. Higher resolutions and higher framerates make CGI more distinguishable from real content compared to older productions with lower resolution and lower framerate. Another problem as well is the fact that we already know that certain things are going to be CGI and therfore we will look at these scenes with a more critical eye. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trooper117 Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 The average film buff will look at this and think it's brilliant... however, we, are not the average film buff when it comes to realism in any film with air combat. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachariasX Posted December 11, 2023 Share Posted December 11, 2023 14 hours ago, golani79 said: I just said that it is hard to make convincing CGI in nowadays. Even with a good budget and time and all the technical possibilities. Godzilla Minus One has some grand CGI effects. That whole movie cost about half than an average episode of She-Hulk. You can make great effects with little costs if you know what you are doing and it shows how broken of a shop Hollywood has become. I think the tools have just gotten so powerful that absolutely mediocre tradesmen can pull off some colorful whatever. And mediocre staff is (at least in the sourcing) cheaper than talented staff. What also CGI does, it simply allows you to easily arrange your actors in a way that is most convenient for your camera work. This means not only your CGI artists can be mediocre, also your camera work can be mediocre as most problems can be arranged away. But having actors in the wrong places always shows and makes the whole scene somewhat uncanny, even tough you are getting a shot full of action. Having no idea about (or not really caring) how things really looked doesn't help either. Also, mediocre CGI artists love to copy from other movies instead of real world looks. A decade of doing super hero movies where nothong matters at all as long as there are big-badda-boms probably degenerated the trade even more. Same as Hollywood script writing has gone the way of the Dodo in the age of just slushing out content. Looking at the trailer, I think they could have done worse and I look forward to watching it. Without expecting too much though, but giving the producers the benefit of the doubt. Track record counts for me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBFlyguy Posted December 11, 2023 Author Share Posted December 11, 2023 (edited) An interested video on some of the trailer. He makes some good points but nothing major IMHO He does get one bit wrong though, those are P-40s, not P-51s. The Tuskegee Airman episode (Ep.8 )is going to cover a bit of their time flying P-40s as well: Edited December 11, 2023 by DBFlyguy 4 Quote "Straighten up and fly right" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
golani79 Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 On 12/11/2023 at 8:47 AM, ZachariasX said: This means not only your CGI artists can be mediocre, also your camera work can be mediocre as most problems can be arranged away. "Fix it in the post" .. never a good idea and it most probably will show in the final product. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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