Major Lee Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 The Langley was awfully top heavy and narrow beam. Check out that cruiser behind her, just riding thru the waves. Side rolling sucks so bad, and it's worse if you're pitching too. (We had a boat at a marina near Lake Michigan for years, a SeaRay Select 200. Lake Michigan is rough on small boats. Some days, we just stayed on the Grand River and Spring Lake! Maybe I'll post the video of my drive by boating of the USS Silversides I made some years ago.) 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sea Serpent Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 (edited) Independence class CVLs probably were top heavy, but I think that photo was taken during a terrible typhoon, the one depicted in the Caine Mutiny, so that’s a pretty extreme sea, and we don’t know it’s ballast state. I’d rather be in that than a destroyer. Edited May 24 by Sea Serpent 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Lee Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 Yeah, that's true. Wasn't there a storm that sank some destroyers in a task force in WWII? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sea Serpent Posted May 25 Share Posted May 25 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Typhoon_Cobra 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javelina Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 Yorktown, 1942 9 Quote MSI MAG Z790 Carbon, i9-13900k, NH-D15 cooler, 64 GB CL40 6000mhz RAM, MSI RTX4090, Yamaha 5.1 A/V Receiver, 4x 2TB Samsung 980 Pro NVMe, 1x 2TB Samsung 870 EVO SSD, Win 11 Pro, TM Warthog, Virpil WarBRD, MFG Crosswinds, 43" Samsung 4K TV, 21.5 Acer VT touchscreen, TrackIR, Varjo Aero, Wheel Stand Pro Super Warthog, Phanteks Enthoo Pro2 Full Tower Case, Seasonic GX-1200 ATX3 PSU, PointCTRL, Buttkicker 2, K-51 Helicopter Collective Control Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javelina Posted June 1 Share Posted June 1 CV6, May 1945 10 Quote MSI MAG Z790 Carbon, i9-13900k, NH-D15 cooler, 64 GB CL40 6000mhz RAM, MSI RTX4090, Yamaha 5.1 A/V Receiver, 4x 2TB Samsung 980 Pro NVMe, 1x 2TB Samsung 870 EVO SSD, Win 11 Pro, TM Warthog, Virpil WarBRD, MFG Crosswinds, 43" Samsung 4K TV, 21.5 Acer VT touchscreen, TrackIR, Varjo Aero, Wheel Stand Pro Super Warthog, Phanteks Enthoo Pro2 Full Tower Case, Seasonic GX-1200 ATX3 PSU, PointCTRL, Buttkicker 2, K-51 Helicopter Collective Control Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javelina Posted June 1 Share Posted June 1 and what a diff, CV6 in May 1942 8 Quote MSI MAG Z790 Carbon, i9-13900k, NH-D15 cooler, 64 GB CL40 6000mhz RAM, MSI RTX4090, Yamaha 5.1 A/V Receiver, 4x 2TB Samsung 980 Pro NVMe, 1x 2TB Samsung 870 EVO SSD, Win 11 Pro, TM Warthog, Virpil WarBRD, MFG Crosswinds, 43" Samsung 4K TV, 21.5 Acer VT touchscreen, TrackIR, Varjo Aero, Wheel Stand Pro Super Warthog, Phanteks Enthoo Pro2 Full Tower Case, Seasonic GX-1200 ATX3 PSU, PointCTRL, Buttkicker 2, K-51 Helicopter Collective Control Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javelina Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 coming at you via the Junyo! 8 Quote MSI MAG Z790 Carbon, i9-13900k, NH-D15 cooler, 64 GB CL40 6000mhz RAM, MSI RTX4090, Yamaha 5.1 A/V Receiver, 4x 2TB Samsung 980 Pro NVMe, 1x 2TB Samsung 870 EVO SSD, Win 11 Pro, TM Warthog, Virpil WarBRD, MFG Crosswinds, 43" Samsung 4K TV, 21.5 Acer VT touchscreen, TrackIR, Varjo Aero, Wheel Stand Pro Super Warthog, Phanteks Enthoo Pro2 Full Tower Case, Seasonic GX-1200 ATX3 PSU, PointCTRL, Buttkicker 2, K-51 Helicopter Collective Control Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFM Posted June 10 Author Share Posted June 10 On 4/27/2024 at 10:31 PM, javelina said: when I saw, I thought the same thing. Must be the perspective of the photo. I wouldn't imagine the deck dipping down on the bow of a Carrier. Actually, Akagi’s flight deck *did* slope down, but it was from the island to the stern. Thus, planes landed on an incline. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFM Posted June 10 Author Share Posted June 10 Good view of the Akagi's incline from stern to island. It goes "downhill" from where the crewmen are standing. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sea Serpent Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 Maybe should be in its own thread, but these are profile drawings showing hit locations on Kaga, Akagi, Hiryu, and Soryu. http://midway42.org/TheBattle/IJNCarrierDamage.aspx 5 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javelina Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 14 minutes ago, Sea Serpent said: Maybe should be in its own thread, but these are profile drawings showing hit locations on Kaga, Akagi, Hiryu, and Soryu. http://midway42.org/TheBattle/IJNCarrierDamage.aspx cool link, thanks! 5 2 Quote MSI MAG Z790 Carbon, i9-13900k, NH-D15 cooler, 64 GB CL40 6000mhz RAM, MSI RTX4090, Yamaha 5.1 A/V Receiver, 4x 2TB Samsung 980 Pro NVMe, 1x 2TB Samsung 870 EVO SSD, Win 11 Pro, TM Warthog, Virpil WarBRD, MFG Crosswinds, 43" Samsung 4K TV, 21.5 Acer VT touchscreen, TrackIR, Varjo Aero, Wheel Stand Pro Super Warthog, Phanteks Enthoo Pro2 Full Tower Case, Seasonic GX-1200 ATX3 PSU, PointCTRL, Buttkicker 2, K-51 Helicopter Collective Control Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFM Posted June 14 Author Share Posted June 14 General plans for USS Wasp. IMO, Wasp has been historically under-represented. I wrote author David Doyle with this opinion and he said not to worry, he is currently working on a book about Wasp. #winning cv7.pdf 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFM Posted June 14 Author Share Posted June 14 General plans for Lexington, Saratoga, Yorktown. I wish I could remember where I got these (it was back in 2014) so I could give proper credit. cv2.pdf cv3.pdf cv5.pdf 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sea Serpent Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 Japanese carriers always had those bedrolls (?) lashed to their islands…I assume this was for additional protection, but it just looks like something extra to catch on fire, while not offering any protection at all… 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlitzPig_EL Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 I always thought they were sandbags. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skelthos Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 Do not quote me on this but 90% sure they were actually the crew's hammocks rolled tightly and bundled together. The purpose of placing them around the bridge is to stop shrapnel and splinters (wooden flight decks on many of them) from penetrating. As a side note, the practice of using hammocks in this manner actually dates back to wooden sailing ships. Offers some limited protection, as well as not having to find more cargo area and hauling more weight. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javelina Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 stumbled on this. CV-20 after getting wrapped up in a Typhoon, June 1945 6 2 Quote MSI MAG Z790 Carbon, i9-13900k, NH-D15 cooler, 64 GB CL40 6000mhz RAM, MSI RTX4090, Yamaha 5.1 A/V Receiver, 4x 2TB Samsung 980 Pro NVMe, 1x 2TB Samsung 870 EVO SSD, Win 11 Pro, TM Warthog, Virpil WarBRD, MFG Crosswinds, 43" Samsung 4K TV, 21.5 Acer VT touchscreen, TrackIR, Varjo Aero, Wheel Stand Pro Super Warthog, Phanteks Enthoo Pro2 Full Tower Case, Seasonic GX-1200 ATX3 PSU, PointCTRL, Buttkicker 2, K-51 Helicopter Collective Control Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trooper117 Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 Flippin eck!!! 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFM Posted June 15 Author Share Posted June 15 15 hours ago, Skelthos said: Do not quote me on this but 90% sure they were actually the crew's hammocks rolled tightly and bundled together. The purpose of placing them around the bridge is to stop shrapnel and splinters (wooden flight decks on many of them) from penetrating. As a side note, the practice of using hammocks in this manner actually dates back to wooden sailing ships. Offers some limited protection, as well as not having to find more cargo area and hauling more weight. Additionally, Zuikaku used hawsers on her island. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javelina Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 SBD flying off of the Lexington, (Essex class), 1944. 7 Quote MSI MAG Z790 Carbon, i9-13900k, NH-D15 cooler, 64 GB CL40 6000mhz RAM, MSI RTX4090, Yamaha 5.1 A/V Receiver, 4x 2TB Samsung 980 Pro NVMe, 1x 2TB Samsung 870 EVO SSD, Win 11 Pro, TM Warthog, Virpil WarBRD, MFG Crosswinds, 43" Samsung 4K TV, 21.5 Acer VT touchscreen, TrackIR, Varjo Aero, Wheel Stand Pro Super Warthog, Phanteks Enthoo Pro2 Full Tower Case, Seasonic GX-1200 ATX3 PSU, PointCTRL, Buttkicker 2, K-51 Helicopter Collective Control Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sea Serpent Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 Many Midway buffs have read Shattered Sword, and there are many here, I presume. They go into some depth about the design of the Japanese carriers, and how that factored in. The Japanese carriers had closed hangars. So a bomb would detonate in there and since there was no venting, it would just carry down the whole hangar deck. Being somebody on the hangar decks of Kaga would have been living hell. I’m not sure the artistic rendition I found on the internet of what happened to Kaga is actually from the Shattered Sword book, but it’s essentially the same as the one presented in there. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFM Posted June 16 Author Share Posted June 16 Kaga went up fast, too. Off the top of my head I forget which US pilot said it, but after the dive bombing he described looking back and seeing a carrier burning "like a haystack in flames." From the descriptions of the first three that were hit, had to be Kaga. In Shattered Sword there are survivor anecdotes describing the sides of the vessel blowing out with secondary explosions, and I believe SS said Kaga's hangar decks had the highest concentrated number of casualties. For some reason I love that big barn of a ship. I hope one day we get to fly off and/or attack her. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javelina Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 CV11 5 Quote MSI MAG Z790 Carbon, i9-13900k, NH-D15 cooler, 64 GB CL40 6000mhz RAM, MSI RTX4090, Yamaha 5.1 A/V Receiver, 4x 2TB Samsung 980 Pro NVMe, 1x 2TB Samsung 870 EVO SSD, Win 11 Pro, TM Warthog, Virpil WarBRD, MFG Crosswinds, 43" Samsung 4K TV, 21.5 Acer VT touchscreen, TrackIR, Varjo Aero, Wheel Stand Pro Super Warthog, Phanteks Enthoo Pro2 Full Tower Case, Seasonic GX-1200 ATX3 PSU, PointCTRL, Buttkicker 2, K-51 Helicopter Collective Control Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trooper117 Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 I wonder what would happen if ''enemy air attack inbound'' came over the tannoy... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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